First, I would like to comment on the bolting on Ben Lomond debate. Gerry - I think you are in trouble here. Ultimately the approach trial will require track work, but this should be all that is required if you had left the bolts for descent. Now you have a problem with tat and a degrading descent trail. I am all for leaving Ben Lomond bolt free - but a few wisely placed descent bolts will ultimately help conserve the area and add to peoples' enjoyment. The people rapping of tat are not weaklings nor poor climbers - that is a silly thing to say. Some of them are a lot fitter and stronger than you!

Second, I recently had the privilege of climbing Gary Phillip's 8 pitch route at Mt Brown called "I've Heard It All Before" 23, and the top 5 of 9 pitches of Adam Donohuge's "Deeper Waters" 26+ in the Tyndalls with Jake Bresnehan (...thanks Jake).

I have to say 'hats off' the Gary and Adam for putting in the effort to prepare these magnificent climbs for us all to enjoy. You should all get out there and experience these new bred of Tasmanian climbs.

Beware though the Tyndalls is "full on" - here lies the future of hard Tasmanian climbing with a real big wall feel and complex logistics relating to getting to the bottom of the routes. It is especially true to say that the seriousness of Deeper Waters is underplayed in the Climb Tasmania guide - a one day free ascent is still awaited and should not be taken lightly. I'll attach some photos.